Rob

1995 Eagle Talon ESI

2003 Lancer Evolution VIII

94 Mercury Sable SE

Wait, what?

clockworktoy

1997 eclispe gst

If you want to just get the car running and have a straight bolt on that is better than stock just search for a used t28. It will bolt up like the stock turbo (same intercooler piping, oil feeed/drain lines) yet it will be an upgrade that can give you decent power later on. And to answer your question no you wont need to upgrade your cooling system i don't know why you think you would have to in the first place, unless you were referring to your intercooler.

Damnrookie

1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T

1995 Mazda MX-3

What, what?

the bastard part? or the Rich girlfriend part?

he he.. with one swipe of her CC she bought me that car. among other things :P

The only reason why I mentioned "cooling system" is that I have NO clue what I'm talking about...

and here I am with 5 degree's one in Aerospace Engineering , and doing a Ph D in Mechanical Engineering. For SHAME!!!

But.. yeah...

I'm tired of bringing the car to a dealer just to change my damn oil. It is time to mannify myself a bit and get down and dirty and greasy.

So I figure.. if I change my turbo myslef I'm bound to learn a thing or 2.

OK now...

My original plan has changed.. thanks to all you power obsessed eclptizoids.. it is rubbing off on me!! I'm becomming one of you guys! Damnit!!

I have no idea what it means or exactly does.. but the EVO III 16g seems to be a popular choice.

Keep in mind.. I still have as main priority that my car be running.. but if I'm going to spend time AND money to get a new turbo, I rather immediately have a decent one.

I mean if I can get a decent improvement in turbo for an additional couple of hunderd bucks.. why not.


I do have about 1200 to spend TOTAL... and I'm wondering if it will be possible if I go for the EVO III 16g one.


I have heard, I need a kit, and a new clutch? is that correct?


If this thing is bad in ANY shape or form for my car/engine, I will NOT do it (added pressure and what not).

I also have the eclipse repair guide (was it Hanes?).

Forgive me if this is discussed before.. I'm still reading and scanning through this forum.

You guys are excellent and thanks for putting up with yet an other spoiled rookie.

thabassman87

1996 Eclipse GSX "GSeX" (6 Bolt Swappin')

1995 Eclipse RS-T "Claire" (Sold)

1989 Dodge Dakota 3.9L V6 2WD

Please start replying to posts with one post and not multiple ones. I've had to merge two of your posts into one so far.

clockworktoy

1997 eclispe gst

Wait wow, your an engineer?!?! wow

Andy

1990 Eagle Talon TSI AWD

1993 Chrysler Minivan(Winter Beater)

1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse RS (SOLD)

I'm an Aerospace Engineer in training :-P

RadDsm

'95 RS (R.I.P)

Ya!!! We are all rubbing off on you!!! LAWL

razor

'96 Eclipse - 6-bolt engine

I think a big16g is just awesome for daily driving. It's popular because it's quite easy to fit it on the car and the power increase is really nice. It spools up a bit later (but not too late) but then you will really start to feel like "whoop here we go" Some people might disagree with this but it's just what you're used to.
I've driven a friends 1G Eclipse with a 20G on it, and for me it was just a bit too much for normal daily driving. The spool starts just a bit too late. But that is very personal of course.
If you do (and did) your regular maintenance on your car I don't think you will easily destroy parts or anything when just going with a 16G. It is always wise to replace things like belts and such if that hasn't been done anytime close to now.
And for prices, check websites like machv.com , extremepsi.com , slowboyracing.com . They are quite focussed on DSM's (our cars) and they should be able to supply everything you need to do the swap. I'm not sure if you really NEED a new clutch but it's always wise to take a stronger one if your budget allows it.

Damnrookie

1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T

1995 Mazda MX-3

Thanks and sorry dude. Will try to be good from now on ;)

Clockworktoy and Andys99rs,

You will luagh big time at me now...

I have a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Applied Mathematics, a M.S. in Engineering Management, and almost a Ph D in Mechanical Engineering, and I don't know how to change my oil on my car!

BUT.. that will soon change... I'm already starting to grow hair on my back talking about cars here!!


RadDsm, damn it dude.. all I wanted was to let the dealer replace my turbo (t25) and get it over with.. but NOOOOOOOO, I had to come here and read all you freaks about super power increase and what not... here I am almost buying the EVO III 16g. darn it to hell you guys!!



Razor,

DUDE.. you said.. and I quote...
"They are quite focussed on DSM's (our cars) and they should be able to supply everything you need to do the swap."

You said "OUR" cars... [whiping off a tear]... I feel like one of you guys now!!


Dude seriously.. thanks for that reply... you helped me a lot.
Most posts here are aimed for people that atleast know minimal basics on cars.

many posts cover the how to's on individual parts, fixing and replacing etc.

But for me for example.. what I'm so scared off...

yeah.. there may be a post that covers how to exchange a turbo... but I have no idea what else I SHOULD put in the car to support that change. (like maybe I should put a bigger clutch in there.. and maybe that in turn requires something ELSE I should put in there TO support the clutch.. etc etc.. I just have no clue).

Also.. tuning... what is that and how do I do it?

So ok now..
let's say I am going for the EVO.

1). so I need a kit,
2). advisable to get a bigger clutch
That is it? nothing else?

Do I need a start timer (what ever you call it) some electronic device that keeps the engine running after you "turn off" the car to cool the turbo properly (which I suspect is the case why my turbo busted up).

Do I need to put in an "intercooler" or any form of looler.. to support my turbo?

I'm thinking about following Bassman's guide to take the turbo out. So before I do this.. I kinda want to be sure what I'll eventually need so I don't get stuck in the middle of a half taken apart car.

Also.. you scared me a bit with... "if you do your own maintenance on your car I don't think you will easily destroy parts or anything when just going with a 16G"... I didn't my own maintenance.. but regardless.... are you saying that with the 16G there is potential to screw up your car if you don't know what you're doing?

I don't "activate" my turbo often as I never race or challenge others on the street..

Thanks for all you guys still replying to this thread...

I'm ALMOST there...

I want to start taking the turbo out SOON!!!

Need a little more balls to do it.. but they are growing nicely now.

Damnrookie

1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T

1995 Mazda MX-3

I replied with a HUGE amount of text.. but after I hit submit.. it is gone..

it keeps happening to me.. what's going on?

As I was saying...


THABASSMAN87:

Thanks and sorry dude... will not happen again.


CLOCKWORKTOY and ANDYS99RS:

You'll find this very amusing...

I have a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Applied Mathematics, a M.S. in Engineering Management, and almost done with a Ph D in Mechanical Engineering.. yet I have no clue how to change my own oil!



RadDsm:

Yeah damn you... All I wanted at first was for the dealer to order me another T25 and switch it... but NOOOOOOO I HAD to come here and read all these power freaks posts about your eclipses that challenges the space shuttle speed limits.

And last but not least...

RAZOR...

DUDE thanks for your reply.. you helped me a lot with some concerns I have.

See... there are lots of posts on the how to's for individual topics such as replacing the turbo etc. etc.

But those are for people that know at least the bare minimum about cars.

See... for me... I have no idea what ELSE I'd need to replace my turbo. For example... maybe replacing my turbo would require a bigger clutch...and maybe putting a bigger clutch would require something else to support that clutch..

I have no idea. And that is the sort of guidance I need.

Now from your post I have a few concerns...

"If you do (and did) your regular maintenance on your car I don't think you will easily destroy parts or anything when just going with a 16G."

Are you implying that I can mess up my car by putting in a 16G if I don't know what I'm doing (talking about continued maintenance on specific parts and such)? And no I don't do my own maintenance... BUT, I'm growing some hair on my back.. and learning now.

"They are quite focused on DSM's (our cars) and they should be able to supply everything you need to do the swap. "

you said OUR cars... I feel like part of the team now [wiping off a tear].

ok seriously dude... thanks for the post...
now ...
Is this all I’d need to make my car healthy again?

1) EVO III 16 G
2) Kit for it
3) bigger clutch

Don't I need a timer or something (an electronic device that keeps your car running after you "turn it off" to cool the turbo properly? (I suspect that was the reason my turbo got busted).

I’m going to take the turbo out this weekend, I just want to make sure I know what I’m getting myself into before I start.


Is it doable to exchange a clutch?


Ohhh and what is tuning? and can I do it myself?


OK this may be a SUPER retarded question...

Can I "tune" the EVO in such a way that it works just like the T25?

So no added pressure, no need for bigger clutch..

thus basically.. all the engine sees is another T25.

And when ever I get as obsessed as you guys (won't be too long I promise), I can just retune it for a higher speed?

Or do I have this tuning concept all wrong?

7inchexhaust

1997 Spyder (sold)

1998 GSX

Yes, a turbo timer would be a smart purchase, but is not completely necessary, if you know what you are doing and after a drive let the car sit and idle for a bit you'd never need one, but it really comes in handy a lot. Plus they have cool features like 0-60, quarter mile time, 60ft time, etc. all built in. On top of all that they are pretty cheap.


If you got the 16g, your going to need an aftermarket boost gauge and a boost controller. I could be wrong though, maybe if you hook it up to the stock boost controller it might be ok. Your going to have to run less psi on the 16g than with your t25. Probably 12psi or less. The turbo just flows more air than the t25 wannabe hairdryer.

You won't NEED a clutch, unless you are turning up the boost further and making more power. But, if your clutch is old and or never has been replaced, it would be a pretty good idea to change it.

President95

97 Eclipse GSX

91 Galant VR4 #360

96 Spyder GS/ 95 Eclipse GS

Damnrookie,

Because you are new and have a relatively low post-count, some of your posts need to be reviewd by a moderator before they are posted. That's why your post wasn't showing.

EkToR

1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse RS (RIP)

04 specV Boosted! (RIP)

08 Lancer DE

aaah man you crack me up.... hang in there... we will help you grow them tight and fit

razor

'96 Eclipse - 6-bolt engine

Oh btw, damnrookie, you could also read up a bit on sites like this:
Tech Guide - DSMtuners
Read the "upgrade paths 2G DSM" and then of course basic hp upgrades, and road racing upgrades. It explains in short what everything does and what you should get. If I can judge you from what I've read so far, this site is aimed towards more tuning and higher goals than yours are now but it sure is a good read. So keep that in mind, you don't need everything there, it just shows what your options are.
And don't forget, once you start tuning (because that is what you're going to start now basically) you will get a big hunger for more power.. and more... and more... and more!
I tuned my ride from about 145hp (stock) to just under 300hp now. It was done with in one big project by popping in a new engine, not step by step. So the power increase was SO awesome! But now I'm used to the power I have and I'm allready looking ahead to see what I can do to get more... :D
Anyway, having said that, I think we can agree on the big16g turbo being an great choice for you as it has plenty potential.

Damnrookie

1998 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T

1995 Mazda MX-3

Ahhhhhhh I gotcha!


Could you please remove thge FIRST big post (as it posted twice).. the second time it posted I asked a few more questions that I think readers won't read because they'll assume the 2 posts are identical.

thanks!!

Ha ha..

Thanks guys...

I'm going to the store now and get me some manly tools.

I'm taking out my turbo today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take pics of every step I'm taking and post my progress here.

This would be an awesome step by step rookie perspective on how to take off the turbo.

Please feel free to comment and what to do next.

wish me luck!!

Razor.. thanks dude. I'll read up on that. That would help a lot.

7inch-er (we're talking exhaust right?)...

Yes I already have problems clutching.

Can I also take out the clutch myself?? or is that a dealer thing.

later dudes!