Tuning - Team-2G Mitsubishi Forum

tonyspeth · 10-18-2007, 11:11 PM

what are my fellow 420A-T guys tuning with... to make sure your running rich enough...and have the right amount of retarded timing??? what will i need to tune my car with ( 7 psi ) ...Thanks...

Maurice'sRS-T · 10-18-2007, 11:34 PM

I believe if you are running 8psi or less you won't need any tuning. if you run more than that you will need to upgrade your fuel system. I believe a lot of people use megasquirt or AEM EMS. I use HKS F CON V PRO, which I don't recoment because it took forever to get it running right, but is well worth it now.

tonyspeth · 10-19-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Maurice'sRS

I believe if you are running 8psi or less you won't need any tuning. if you run more than that you will need to upgrade your fuel system. I believe a lot of people use megasquirt or AEM EMS. I use HKS F CON V PRO, which I don't recoment because it took forever to get it running right, but is well worth it now.

i have a 7 lb. wastegate... no tuning...? one of my friends keeps telling me i'll blow it up because of the timing being to advanced..but i dont want this to go into a timing topic / thread... i need to know what i need to tune to not run lean with a 7 lb. wastegate...but by the time it runs threw the intercooler and piping it will prolly be 6 or so psi....what fuel mods are seriously needed? this is the only area i am worried about with my whole turboing process...any help is greatly appreicated !!! NO angerness...lol i've been searching...i can't find the info i need... i need a person to help whos had this problem and acclomplished it... i do not need to blow a motor over a small issue once again thanks

totaleclipse_05 · 10-19-2007, 12:28 AM

Try some searching on 2GNT.

Seriously, this is a very common/easy question and if I tried, I could find the answer in about 2 min if I didn't know it already.

tonyspeth · 10-19-2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by totaleclipse_05

Try some searching on 2GNT.

Seriously, this is a very common/easy question and if I tried, I could find the answer in about 2 min if I didn't know it already.

i don't like the way that sites set up its confusing to me and i dont get what i search for....if its so common can you help me? what are you using ...you have a 420a ... dont sugest a crazy ecu with hours of expensive tuning .. i need a used and proven way of safely running a turbo on my 420a. once again from previous threads i'm not looking for 300whl horse and 25 lb. of boost....7 lbs. safely ...thanks

totaleclipse_05 · 10-19-2007, 12:54 AM

Look at my Photo Gallery for my setup.

Get used to 2GNT and the way it's set up. It is THEE BEST resource for information for the 420a hands down. ANYTHING you want to find out, it's there.

tonyspeth · 10-19-2007, 01:04 AM

whats a FCD ,..are you running fine? how much psi are you running? do you just have a air/fuel guage to check up on if your running lean? thanks again !

frew · 10-19-2007, 01:23 AM

FCD is a fuel cut defender if im not mistaken...and 30secs on google got me this link for ya TurboXS Fuel Cut Defender for 5V Sensors FCD Performance Racing Parts

i knwo your getting frustrated but seriously you can search where ever you find the simplest and you will pop up sumthing that will help you

tonyspeth · 10-19-2007, 01:40 AM

no i'm not fusterated at all...i've been searching i just cant find what i need... i dont feel i need alot of the stuff imo...one of my friends has a supercharged civic and all he has is a fmu thats it... no tuning yet...8 psi..runs fine 7,000rpms all day.. i will not be beating the hell out of my car when i turbo it ... does the FCD just prevent fuel cut at high rpm? or can it occur at lover rpms? thanks again.

totaleclipse_05 · 10-19-2007, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyspeth

no i'm not fusterated at all...i've been searching i just cant find what i need... i dont feel i need alot of the stuff imo...one of my friends has a supercharged civic and all he has is a fmu thats it... no tuning yet...8 psi..runs fine 7,000rpms all day.. i will not be beating the hell out of my car when i turbo it ... does the FCD just prevent fuel cut at high rpm? or can it occur at lover rpms? thanks again.

Seriously, have you tried searching at all?

5 sec google search on "fuel cut defender"
DIY FCD Project

Plenty of info about what one does and even how to make your own.

10-15 seconds worth of searching, typed "fuel" into the search:
http://www.team-2g.com/mitsubishi-ec...l-systems.html

Put in some effort into searching, we aren't here to spoon-feed.

tonyspeth · 10-19-2007, 08:15 PM

thanks total for Not answering my help ?'s about what problems you ran into with turboing yours..and how yours is working out.... u did it to your car you could simply help me out instead of being an ass about it...theres a lot of goofy sh*t in short code for example fpr fcd wtf fmic..although most of them are well known some aren't sry i thought fcd was an abreviation for something else...these forums are set up for helping with problems ( I"M NEW TO TURBOING A CAR !!!) i know my sh*t about a lot of things... i want to make sure i'm doing it right the FIRST time and not buspending hundreds of dollars on un-needed parts.and when i have serious questions about issues that may come up i expect answers from expirenced people like your self who have already delt with and went threw these problems ! Jamie likes to help out with detailed reasoning Quote "I love helping the new NT'rs learn how to get boosted and want to make sure you all get the RIGHT INFO needed."
Thanks guys." .... why can't more people who know how to / did turbo their 420a help out more like him.

Maurice'sRS-T · 10-19-2007, 09:03 PM

If you went with stand alone system, or even a piggy back system, you would be able to control every thing a lot more precisely, that would be my recomendation. I went with a full stand alone system, so I don't have any experience with anything else, sorry its not much help.

cs82685 · 10-19-2007, 10:38 PM

walbro 255lph hi pressure pump
12:1 FMU
Missing Link (search for it) or an FCD, they accomplish the same thing different ways. One is mechanical and one is a voltage clamp

that's all you need fuel wise and to prevent fuel cut. You don't need anything to tune with, you can't tune anything with those parts, just get a few gauges so you can keep your eyes on things and don't go past 7psi with stock injectors. Once you upgrade injectors it's a whole new ballgame.

Now read on 2gnt until your eyes bleed and then ask us some legitimate detailed questions that prove you searched/read instead of asking stupid bs questions that a five year old can find the answers to. Oh and don't listen to your retard friend with a honda, he knows nothing about these engines.

totaleclipse_05 · 10-20-2007, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyspeth

thanks total for Not answering my help ?'s about what problems you ran into with turboing yours..and how yours is working out.... u did it to your car you could simply help me out instead of being an ass about it...theres a lot of goofy sh*t in short code for example fpr fcd wtf fmic..although most of them are well known some aren't sry i thought fcd was an abreviation for something else...these forums are set up for helping with problems ( I"M NEW TO TURBOING A CAR !!!) i know my sh*t about a lot of things... i want to make sure i'm doing it right the FIRST time and not buspending hundreds of dollars on un-needed parts.and when i have serious questions about issues that may come up i expect answers from expirenced people like your self who have already delt with and went threw these problems ! Jamie likes to help out with detailed reasoning Quote "I love helping the new NT'rs learn how to get boosted and want to make sure you all get the RIGHT INFO needed."
Thanks guys." .... why can't more people who know how to / did turbo their 420a help out more like him.

Hey man, just because I don't spoon feed the answers to you doesn't means that I'm not here to help. The questions you are asking are very basic questions that I have heard more times than I can count and I know with some effort you can find the answers to your questions.

Have you looked at the Wiki page of 2GNT? It is set up very nice with all the info you need. Start reading there until your eyes bleed like cs82685 said.

FPR=Fuel Pressure Regulator
FCD=Fuel Cut Defender
FMIC=Front Mount InterCooler

There are some freebies for you.

tonyspeth · 10-20-2007, 01:28 AM

thatnks guys i will read...total i know what fmic fpr mean it was examples...the fcd was a new thing sry i didn't search that ...

10-18-2007, 11:11 PM	#1
tonyspeth Turbo Tech Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 499	Tuning what are my fellow 420A-T guys tuning with... to make sure your running rich enough...and have the right amount of retarded timing??? what will i need to tune my car with ( 7 psi ) ...Thanks... __________________ 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 420A-T -Built Not Bought-

10-18-2007, 11:34 PM	#2
Maurice'sRS-T Honda Eater Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangkok Thailand Posts: 563	I believe if you are running 8psi or less you won't need any tuning. if you run more than that you will need to upgrade your fuel system. I believe a lot of people use megasquirt or AEM EMS. I use HKS F CON V PRO, which I don't recoment because it took forever to get it running right, but is well worth it now. __________________ http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x275/eclipsed_blue/car/

10-19-2007, 01:04 AM	#7
tonyspeth Turbo Tech Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 499	whats a FCD ,..are you running fine? how much psi are you running? do you just have a air/fuel guage to check up on if your running lean? thanks again ! __________________ 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 420A-T -Built Not Bought-

10-19-2007, 01:40 AM	#9
tonyspeth Turbo Tech Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 499	no i'm not fusterated at all...i've been searching i just cant find what i need... i dont feel i need alot of the stuff imo...one of my friends has a supercharged civic and all he has is a fmu thats it... no tuning yet...8 psi..runs fine 7,000rpms all day.. i will not be beating the hell out of my car when i turbo it ... does the FCD just prevent fuel cut at high rpm? or can it occur at lover rpms? thanks again. __________________ 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 420A-T -Built Not Bought- Last edited by tonyspeth; 10-19-2007 at 01:46 AM.

10-19-2007, 08:15 PM	#11
tonyspeth Turbo Tech Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 499	thanks total for Not answering my help ?'s about what problems you ran into with turboing yours..and how yours is working out.... u did it to your car you could simply help me out instead of being an ass about it...theres a lot of goofy sht in short code for example fpr fcd wtf fmic..although most of them are well known some aren't sry i thought fcd was an abreviation for something else...these forums are set up for helping with problems ( I"M NEW TO TURBOING A CAR !!!) i know my sht about a lot of things... i want to make sure i'm doing it right the FIRST time and not buspending hundreds of dollars on un-needed parts.and when i have serious questions about issues that may come up i expect answers from expirenced people like your self who have already delt with and went threw these problems ! Jamie likes to help out with detailed reasoning Quote "I love helping the new NT'rs learn how to get boosted and want to make sure you all get the RIGHT INFO needed." Thanks guys." .... why can't more people who know how to / did turbo their 420a help out more like him. __________________ 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 420A-T -Built Not Bought-

10-19-2007, 12:28 AM	#4
totaleclipse_05 Team-2g Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,076	Try some searching on 2GNT. Seriously, this is a very common/easy question and if I tried, I could find the answer in about 2 min if I didn't know it already.

10-19-2007, 12:54 AM	#6
totaleclipse_05 Team-2g Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,076	Look at my Photo Gallery for my setup. Get used to 2GNT and the way it's set up. It is THEE BEST resource for information for the 420a hands down. ANYTHING you want to find out, it's there.

10-19-2007, 01:23 AM	#8
frew Turbo Tech Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 405	FCD is a fuel cut defender if im not mistaken...and 30secs on google got me this link for ya TurboXS Fuel Cut Defender for 5V Sensors FCD Performance Racing Parts i knwo your getting frustrated but seriously you can search where ever you find the simplest and you will pop up sumthing that will help you

10-19-2007, 09:03 PM	#12
Maurice'sRS-T Honda Eater Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bangkok Thailand Posts: 563	If you went with stand alone system, or even a piggy back system, you would be able to control every thing a lot more precisely, that would be my recomendation. I went with a full stand alone system, so I don't have any experience with anything else, sorry its not much help. __________________ http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x275/eclipsed_blue/car/

10-19-2007, 10:38 PM	#13
cs82685 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: phillipsburg, nj Posts: 63	walbro 255lph hi pressure pump 12:1 FMU Missing Link (search for it) or an FCD, they accomplish the same thing different ways. One is mechanical and one is a voltage clamp that's all you need fuel wise and to prevent fuel cut. You don't need anything to tune with, you can't tune anything with those parts, just get a few gauges so you can keep your eyes on things and don't go past 7psi with stock injectors. Once you upgrade injectors it's a whole new ballgame. Now read on 2gnt until your eyes bleed and then ask us some legitimate detailed questions that prove you searched/read instead of asking stupid bs questions that a five year old can find the answers to. Oh and don't listen to your retard friend with a honda, he knows nothing about these engines.

10-20-2007, 01:28 AM	#15
tonyspeth Turbo Tech Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 499	thatnks guys i will read...total i know what fmic fpr mean it was examples...the fcd was a new thing sry i didn't search that ... __________________ 1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 420A-T -Built Not Bought-

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