New Clutch Type? - Team-2G Mitsubishi Forum

redhorse · 02-09-2009, 07:10 AM

Looking to get a new clutch for my car & Been doing alot of research and just wanted to get some opinions.
I have a 1997 Eclipse GST with Level 1 Sheppard Tranny, Quaife Limited Slip Differential, and Pushing about 350HP.

Car had a ClutchMasters 2500 (Full Street Disc) on it when I purchased it, but not sure how long that clutch lasted or if it was a good matchup for this setup.

This car is my daily driver, so I dont wanna go too crazy, as I will be driving it everyday. However, I do get on it occasionally and drive aggressively, so I want a clutch that will last & be able to handle that 350HP.

I am thinking like maybe an:
ACT XTSS (Xtreme Pressure Plate & Performance Street Disc)
or Maybe an:
ACT HDG6 (Heavy Duty Pressure Plate & 6-Pad Spring Disc)

Both will handle 400 FT LBS, Just not sure if this is a reliable & long lasting clutch. And also, which type to go with.
However, Looks like I can get more performance & maybe even longer lasting, with the HDG6, while giving my Leg & my Master/Slave cylinders more life as well. Never had/drove a Puck-Type Clutch Disc, so looking for some insight here. How are they when you are driving to work every day and hit traffic atleast one way? That kinda stuff...

Based on what I have and the driveability that I want, what clutch would you all recommend?

1) Brand (ACT, ClutchMasters, Fidanza, Centerforce, etc.)?
2) Stage (Level 2 or 3)?
3) Material (Kevlar, Kevlar-Carbon, etc.)?
4) Disc Type (4 Puck, 6 Puck, Full Disc, etc.)?

Evo Dream · 02-09-2009, 09:20 AM

I don't have an eclipse yet, however the ACT for the evo it's pretty decent.

Daily driving is a bit stiffer then stuck but feels pretty good. One thing that you may want to research is the lock out issue.

With the evos depending on the pressure plate and if you get a lucky ACT clutch, they have a tendency to lock up from time to time at high RPMs.

7inchexhaust · 02-09-2009, 11:39 AM

If your hitting quite a bit of traffic, I think the pucked disc is going to get really annoying fast.

1BadVan · 02-09-2009, 01:29 PM

From all the research I have done, people recommend not going to heavy on the pressure plate if your using a 7 bolt engine due to possibly causing crank walk over time. I would go act 2100/2600 with a South Bend Clutch full kevlar face disc.

South Bend Clutch Disks from HorsepowerFreaks

RadDsm · 02-09-2009, 01:39 PM

A HEAVY PP WILL NOT CAUSE CRANKWALK!

Jeebus, now that being said, if its still your daily driver I would go with wither the Fidanza 3.2 or ACT 2600. The street disc will be the easiest to drive, but a 4 puck will hold up better. The 4 puck isnt as forgiving as the street disk though.

If it were me, Id get the 3.2 with a 4 puck.

Watch this Fidanza talks clutchs @ SEMA 2008- Video

and this one. Clutch Basics From Bob Scheid of Fidanza - MustangBlog.com

1BadVan · 02-09-2009, 02:04 PM

Actually your right Heavy PP doesn't cause crank walk by itself, but contributes to it. What really caused crank walk was some blocks were poorly machined from the factory, causing the thrust plates not to torque evenly around the crank. A heavy PP will contribute to lateral movement of the crank over time, because of the extra force exterted on the crankshaft. The majority of crankwalk engines occur after rebuilds, although a small percentage of engines still crank walked from the factory.

My advice redhorse is do your own research and decide whether a heavy PP (above act 2600) is for you or not after reading up the pro's and cons of heavy pressure plates in 7 bolt motors. If you have a 6 bolt motor its a moot point.

RadDsm · 02-09-2009, 02:08 PM

^^ You are right, thanks for correcting yourself.

AWDSM · 02-09-2009, 04:12 PM

I've had an ACT 2100 with a street disk which I liked, but then I got a ClutchMasters Dual Friction kit, which I like even more and would suggest to anyone over ACT.

redhorse · 02-11-2009, 01:39 AM

No evidence of Crank-walk yet.
And ACT seems to be the Clutch Kit brand that is coming up the most, both in Forums & in Searches.
Looked at the Fidanza clutches some, but they seem to be more expensive & not much information (specs) available on them...

RadDsm,
Great Videos, seen the 2nd one before, but both are very insightful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7inchexhaust

If your hitting quite a bit of traffic, I think the pucked disc is going to get really annoying fast.

I get traffic occasionally, like on the way home from work in the morning some days. What do you call annoying? Never had a Puck-Type disc, what is the difference in feeling AND what is the major difference between 4 & 6 pucks?

If the Puck-Type discs are going to be too non-suitable for occasional traffic, then I may stick with the Full Disk type (SS). As far as the ACT Clutches go: The ACT2100 (HDSS) looks to be good for upto 350HP & the ACT2600 (XTSS) to be good for 450HP. However, only difference between the ACT2100 & ACT2600 appears to be that the Pressure Plate clamping pressure is stronger on the ACT2600. Therefore, I tend to think that the ACT2600 would wear the clutch disc down faster. Since my car is right around 350HP, I am thinking that the ACT2100 may be well capable of doing the job, and wear slower.

Now, I just gotta wonder whether a 4 or 6 Puck-Type disk (Kevlar) would last longer than the Full Street Disc?

And if so, would the longer lasting be worth whatever the driveability suffers?

If I went with a Pucked disc, I am thinking "Sprung" (not "Solid") would be better and I am also thing that the same pressure plate would be fine as well, so I guess I may be down to deciding between the HDSS & HDG6.

???

1BadVan · 02-11-2009, 10:14 AM

From what you describe I think a "street" disc, full kevlar would make you happy. No way I would go 6 puck with the needs you are describing.

thabassman87 · 02-11-2009, 11:00 AM

ACT 2600 with Street Disc would be my recommendation.

redhorse · 02-12-2009, 03:25 AM

Thanks alot for everyone's suggestions, advice, and information. Also, made some calls to Fidanza (recommended 3.2 with 4-Puck Kevlar disk), ACT (recommended ACT2600 with Street Organic/Copper disk), & ClutchMasters (recommended FX300 with Segmented Kevlar disk).
I am 50/50 torn between the ACT2600-XTSS & the CM FX300.

As for the Flywheel, I think I am gonna stick with stock and get a new one, as they are only $60 at Advance Auto (car was running pretty fast & smooth when I first picked it up with the stock Flywheel & a ClutchMaster 2500 clutch kit). I think I probably caught the tail-end of the ClutchMaster 2500's life, as the guy that sold me the car used to take it to the track.

Gonna replace the CV Shafts & Flywheel Bolts, while I'm at it.
If there is anything I am forgetting to buy ahead of time, please feel free to mention it, because I wanna do this right while I have it all apart.

Now, all I gotta do is grow a pair & make a decision between the ACT2600-XTSS & the ClutchMasters FX300
AND THAN
Find the best price around...

I mean, I am 99% certain that the ACT2600 is the way to go. I am just kinda thinking that the CM FX300 could do the same job, with less pedal effort & also less pressure on the crankshaft, as it has a Kevlar Disc & only a HD PP.
ACT2600 = XTSS
CM FX300 = HDKV

Almost there.

redhorse · 02-12-2009, 11:11 AM

Trying hard to find an ACT2600(XTSS) somewhere for the lowest price.

?

Also, has anyone used the Slave Cylinder Extended Rod, offered by ExtremePSI?
Their claim:
When upgrading to any clutch, these extention rod are a must need due to the stock one not being able to disengage fully.
Made of 304 stainless steel; 3.75" Long $24.00

?

Oh yeah, can't seem to find a OEM Flywheel either.

?

Andy · 02-12-2009, 12:31 PM

I have the slave cylinder extended rod, I like it.

RadDsm · 02-12-2009, 12:36 PM

Just have your flywheel resurfaced.

02-09-2009, 07:10 AM	#1
redhorse Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 68	New Clutch Type? Looking to get a new clutch for my car & Been doing alot of research and just wanted to get some opinions. I have a 1997 Eclipse GST with Level 1 Sheppard Tranny, Quaife Limited Slip Differential, and Pushing about 350HP. Car had a ClutchMasters 2500 (Full Street Disc) on it when I purchased it, but not sure how long that clutch lasted or if it was a good matchup for this setup. This car is my daily driver, so I dont wanna go too crazy, as I will be driving it everyday. However, I do get on it occasionally and drive aggressively, so I want a clutch that will last & be able to handle that 350HP. I am thinking like maybe an: ACT XTSS (Xtreme Pressure Plate & Performance Street Disc) or Maybe an: ACT HDG6 (Heavy Duty Pressure Plate & 6-Pad Spring Disc) Both will handle 400 FT LBS, Just not sure if this is a reliable & long lasting clutch. And also, which type to go with. However, Looks like I can get more performance & maybe even longer lasting, with the HDG6, while giving my Leg & my Master/Slave cylinders more life as well. Never had/drove a Puck-Type Clutch Disc, so looking for some insight here. How are they when you are driving to work every day and hit traffic atleast one way? That kinda stuff... Based on what I have and the driveability that I want, what clutch would you all recommend? 1) Brand (ACT, ClutchMasters, Fidanza, Centerforce, etc.)? 2) Stage (Level 2 or 3)? 3) Material (Kevlar, Kevlar-Carbon, etc.)? 4) Disc Type (4 Puck, 6 Puck, Full Disc, etc.)? __________________ Be safe out there, Red.

02-09-2009, 11:39 AM	#3
7inchexhaust Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,627	If your hitting quite a bit of traffic, I think the pucked disc is going to get really annoying fast. __________________ 2g awd \| evo III 16g \| TiAL 38mm & 3" turboback \| Fidanza 4.3 \| ARP's \| AEM UEGO \| FMIC \| rewired evo fp/ 550cc injectors \| DizzumLink \| HKS SSQV \| Please read and follow the RULES Jesus may have walked on water, but 7inchexhaust swam through land.

02-09-2009, 04:12 PM	#8
AWDSM Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Miami / Budapest Posts: 52	I've had an ACT 2100 with a street disk which I liked, but then I got a ClutchMasters Dual Friction kit, which I like even more and would suggest to anyone over ACT. __________________ '95 Eagle Talon TSi AWD K&N Filter, Stock Intake Pipe w/ Recirc Tube Untouched, Big 16g, 2.5" IC Piping, FMIC, Greddy RS Recirculated, Denso 510cc, Rewired Stock FPump, EGR Eliminated, Full 2.5" Exhaust, Autometer Boost, EGT, WBO2, Centerforce DF, Fidanza Flywheel, DSMLink V2

02-12-2009, 03:25 AM	#12
redhorse Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 68	Thanks alot for everyone's suggestions, advice, and information. Also, made some calls to Fidanza (recommended 3.2 with 4-Puck Kevlar disk), ACT (recommended ACT2600 with Street Organic/Copper disk), & ClutchMasters (recommended FX300 with Segmented Kevlar disk). I am 50/50 torn between the ACT2600-XTSS & the CM FX300. As for the Flywheel, I think I am gonna stick with stock and get a new one, as they are only $60 at Advance Auto (car was running pretty fast & smooth when I first picked it up with the stock Flywheel & a ClutchMaster 2500 clutch kit). I think I probably caught the tail-end of the ClutchMaster 2500's life, as the guy that sold me the car used to take it to the track. Gonna replace the CV Shafts & Flywheel Bolts, while I'm at it. If there is anything I am forgetting to buy ahead of time, please feel free to mention it, because I wanna do this right while I have it all apart. Now, all I gotta do is grow a pair & make a decision between the ACT2600-XTSS & the ClutchMasters FX300 AND THAN Find the best price around... I mean, I am 99% certain that the ACT2600 is the way to go. I am just kinda thinking that the CM FX300 could do the same job, with less pedal effort & also less pressure on the crankshaft, as it has a Kevlar Disc & only a HD PP. ACT2600 = XTSS CM FX300 = HDKV Almost there. __________________ Be safe out there, Red. Last edited by redhorse; 02-12-2009 at 09:59 AM.

02-12-2009, 11:11 AM	#13
redhorse Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 68	Trying hard to find an ACT2600(XTSS) somewhere for the lowest price. ? Also, has anyone used the Slave Cylinder Extended Rod, offered by ExtremePSI? Their claim: When upgrading to any clutch, these extention rod are a must need due to the stock one not being able to disengage fully. Made of 304 stainless steel; 3.75" Long $24.00 ? Oh yeah, can't seem to find a OEM Flywheel either. ? __________________ Be safe out there, Red. Last edited by redhorse; 02-12-2009 at 11:18 AM.

02-09-2009, 09:20 AM	#2
Evo Dream Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 58	I don't have an eclipse yet, however the ACT for the evo it's pretty decent. Daily driving is a bit stiffer then stuck but feels pretty good. One thing that you may want to research is the lock out issue. With the evos depending on the pressure plate and if you get a lucky ACT clutch, they have a tendency to lock up from time to time at high RPMs.

02-09-2009, 01:29 PM	#4
1BadVan Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 65	From all the research I have done, people recommend not going to heavy on the pressure plate if your using a 7 bolt engine due to possibly causing crank walk over time. I would go act 2100/2600 with a South Bend Clutch full kevlar face disc. South Bend Clutch Disks from HorsepowerFreaks

02-09-2009, 02:04 PM	#6
1BadVan Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 65	Actually your right Heavy PP doesn't cause crank walk by itself, but contributes to it. What really caused crank walk was some blocks were poorly machined from the factory, causing the thrust plates not to torque evenly around the crank. A heavy PP will contribute to lateral movement of the crank over time, because of the extra force exterted on the crankshaft. The majority of crankwalk engines occur after rebuilds, although a small percentage of engines still crank walked from the factory. My advice redhorse is do your own research and decide whether a heavy PP (above act 2600) is for you or not after reading up the pro's and cons of heavy pressure plates in 7 bolt motors. If you have a 6 bolt motor its a moot point.

02-11-2009, 10:14 AM	#10
1BadVan Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 65	From what you describe I think a "street" disc, full kevlar would make you happy. No way I would go 6 puck with the needs you are describing.

02-12-2009, 12:31 PM	#14
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